Turtles Forever was generally well-received by fans of the 2003 show and the franchise as a whole. However, some fans took issue with the portrayal of the 1987 Turtles. They were depicted as unable to take anything seriously, ineffective in combat, and obsessed with getting pizza no matter what. It got to the point that the 2003 Turtles got frequently exasperated while trying to reign them in as well as their constant need to give noogies and the fact that 1987 Raphael (Sebastian Arcelus) kept breaking the 4th wall (as was done frequently in the original show). The 1987 series actually began as a more action-oriented show, but concerns over the violence were raised and forced the show to tone it down. That necessitated the inclusion of often silly alternatives to straight-out violence, such as slicing open a fire hydrant to hit foes with water, or causing a foe to fall on their own by being pushed into some kind of pratfall. The final season also took on a much darker and serious tone, attempting to turn Shredder back into a genuine threat. But, the 1987 Turtles were allowed a redeeming moment crucial to the outcome of the final battle in the film.